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The purpose of power is power3 o'clock, June 18, 2005And I’m abusing mine, to post something here where it’ll stand out rather than contributing to the conversation — where I’d feel compelled to closely read everything before I post, respond substantively to each substantive point, and type like hell in hopes of getting a word in edgewise before Ben posts another pithy two-page screed that forces me to rethink everything. Instead I will merely remark that:
Oh, and I’ll try and update the front-page betting records tomorrow, or Monday lunchtime at the latest. Ben, Alan, one of you go post something about the Author and the Work, or about public and private audiences, or whatever, and let’s go talk about that there. (Hell, repost your comments from the DC thread.) Remember, flippant is the new ironic. |
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I can't believe you're all wasting time on this (the betting ring, speculating about them Dark Cabalists) when some hideous power has put a curse on the Australian cricket team! Have none of you any compassion? Any heart? Any sense of justice? Why aren't you all busily figuring out how to save Australia? How to lift this dead curse!? Unless, it's the work of the Dark Cabal! Oh my God! They MUST be stopped!! |
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It's just like a dark conspiracy to pretend to be all about one thing, while really being all about something else entirely. I know this. I've read my Robert Anton Wilson. Justine, I'll make you a deal: I'll care about the Australian cricket team if you will explain the sport to me. Heck, I'll even root for them as if they were my home team. I'm pretty sure we don't have one here in the U.S.. |
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JeremyT: But I have explained the sport to all who care to know about it. You can find my extremely easy-to-follow guide here. I'm also up for explaining it in the bar of any sf convention I happen to be attending for the low low price of keeping my throat from becoming parched. Very tricky explaining cricket if the whistle isn't wet. |
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I’m not sure is intentional, about making earnest, concerned, serious posts about the State of the Field and the Meaning of the Genre under frivolous assumed names. That was week one. Week two seems to involve staggering out of a bar, throwing punches at the air, and shouting "You think yer bettr'n me? Well yah AIN'T!" at people who left an hour ago. To wit: It sure does seem to be easy for snobs and wannabees to toss off quips about how bestsellers like _DaVinci Code_-- or Brittany Spears-- are lacking in all originality. It's certainly a lot easier to denigrate the audience than to ask the questions of exactly how the work achieves its effect. The prose of _DaVinci Code_ ain't gonna win awards for beauty, or for that matter, for clarity, either. OK, fine, get over it. Quit whining and bitching about how it's junk, you losers. Take it apart. Why does it work? I'd also take their bitter populism ("If only could figure it out, we could actually get a better sell-through on our novels") a bit more seriously if any of them knew how to spell Britney Spears. |
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I’d take the whole thing a bit more seriously if they could make up their minds whether to be bitter populists or bitter elitists. Well, okay, I wouldn’t. But still. |
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What fun! I love cabals, dark or otherwise. Having just seen the "Batman Begins" movie (see footnote), it seems perfectly reasonable to me that people who want to improve the world (or destroy it...) would don masks and cowls and portentious nicknames. NM: >I'd also take their bitter populism... a bit more seriously if any of them knew how to spell Britney Spears. Heck, I take them more seriously if they *don't* know how to spell Britney Spears! DM: >I’d take the whole thing a bit more seriously if they could make up their minds whether to be bitter populists or bitter elitists. Heck, since there's a dozen or so posting, why can't they can be some of each? Voting on names: OK, I'll think it over. --- |
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You know, no matter how tepid (or how tedious) I've found the enterprise to date, it's hard not to feel at least some sympathy for the anonymites--it can't ever be a pleasant thing, to be this week's target of Nick's drive-by abuse. |
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It's okay; he's moved on to bashing Daniel Handler now. |
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Oh, I wrote that Handler thing weeks ago. |
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“But every day seems brand new in the exciting, fast-paced, ever-changing world of the net!!” So I get my copy of Flytrap in the mail, and on the cover it says Columns by: Nick Mamatas · Jed Hartman, and I’m, like: “To hell with that, I want to know what they’re thinking now.” |
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The column remains apropos, given Cabalish whining about college tuition and whiter goes the field and all that, actually. |
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Hmm, so imagine you were kind of jovially and perhaps condescendingly semi-trashing a piece of anonymous criticism by someone you took for a newbie fanzine scrawler... and then you heard this rumor that behind the criticism was a more senior writer whose fiction you admire... For a moment, it might feel like one of those Talmudic legends, where the messiah is disguised as an irascible beggar... |
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Maybe, but I'd want to know why said senior writer was writing like a newbie fanzine scrawler. If it's the Messiah, you figure he's got a reason. A mere writer, maybe not so much. (I'm long past the stage of finding out my idols are human.) |
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Sure. There's also the option of someone being an excellent fictioneer and an uninspired critic. But there's also how your perception of the identity behind the scrawl influences how you parse the scrawl. What seems fervid and Very Serious coming from a newbie might be meant wryly, or simply lazily, coming from someone who you know can actually write. Which doesn't necessarily make it a better idea to write unpolished musings from behind a goofily-named mask... |
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But there's also how your perception of the identity behind the scrawl influences how you parse the scrawl. Well, yes. If I know they can actually write, that slides the knob from my "unintentionally silly" to Susan's "tedious". |
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I think the Dark Cabalists are endearingly naive on a number of topics, and we could probably learn a lot from looking at the world from the perspective of their innocent, workshop-lidded eyes. Birth the world anew, crazy, doomed muthafuckas. Jeff |
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Perhaps you'd be surprised, but others may not. There's actually a fairly old riddle in the jobber distro biz: "Who knows less about publishing than a midlister? A bestseller!" |
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It’s Brown & Spears, isn’t it. |
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To continue my ongoing review of TDC, I rather liked the Borges-cribbed accessibily/familiarity/transgression post, and bonus points to qwui and Safe Light for withstanding with a modicum of aplomb that withering blast of Mamatas NetFury(tm) which has reduced many an online correspondent to bubbling pools of incoherent jelly. In this case, if you plot the number of ad hominem attacks and instances of willful refusal to understand the interlocutor on a graph and look at the first derivative (the usual method of scoring a net.battle), Nick's actually rises faster, which is the reverse of the usual trend... |
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Interesting, Ben. I'd always just assumed that Nick's method of online debate was all about the spectacle (i.e., he's interested in entertaining the audience rather than engaging in dialogue with his sparring partner), but this mathematical analysis suggests something even more devious and old-school. |
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n this case, if you plot the number of ad hominem attacks and instances of willful refusal to understand the interlocutor on a graph and look at the first derivative (the usual method of scoring a net.battle), Nick's actually rises faster, which is the reverse of the usual trend... I doubt that's the case very much, especially once one considers the fact that the pseudonimity and the murmuring about Heavy Stuff To Be Discussed, placed alongside the actual discussions (e.g. "three-star stories would be four-star stories if they were only better" "only wannabes and losers complain about The da Vinci Code") are themselves wilfull refusals to understand the discussion they're intervening in. TDC began by waving a flag reading "We're willful fools" -- there's no reason to have ever treated them as anything but foolish. That I did at all is a testament to my own patience. The URL sent to me this morning by Jeff V (I haven't been looking at it since my blow-off, when I flounce I really don't fo back), which featured sub-Tangent Online-level capsule reviews of two short stories pretty much tell me where TDC is actually at. |
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Yeah, exactly. For just a sec there I was pretty psyched that they'd mentioned my story, but then I'm like, but this isn't a substantial review at all, just a namecheck. I mean, why would anybody go and look for my story because "Brickwork" says he/she likes it? |
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I mean, why would anybody go and look for my story because "Brickwork" says he/she likes it? Well, why would anybody go and look for your story because anybody says they like it? I don't go and look for everything my friends recommend, even my highly talented and astute writer friends. Why not? Because they don't make them sound interesting to me. You have to read this story! It's amazing! is not something that moves me. On the other hand, make the story sound interesting and I don't care whether you're Fred Bloggs or John Clute. |
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I think I tend to be more motivated to go look up something if I've found that person to be a reliable recommender for me personally. Chris Barzak almost always makes picks - even if I don't think his description sounds particularly interesting. Some other folk continually makes stuff sound pretty good and I pretty reliably hate what they recommend. Their story of the story is much better than the actual story. |
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I like the part where everyone's commenting on the Cabal's blog. I assume they're trying to ensure that it survives at least until their date in the betting pool. |
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I expect you'll be deleting the above bit of comment spam, but there was a beautiful found poerty moment in going to your Most Recent Comments list this morning and finding #1 to be "electric viagra on The Purpose of Power is Power"... |
I love you for this.