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“Far graver than Vietnam”

2 o'clock, September 16, 2004

Why do we have to go to the UK for this? Why isn’t it headline news across the US?

Don’t answer that.

Civilian control of the military. Gotta love it.

Comments

Far graver than Vietnam?

By what standards of measurement?

—— Derek James, 8:04 AM, Friday, September 17, 2004

By the standards of the trouble it’s getting us into downstream. The Vietnam War itself was a disaster, but once it was over, it was over.

—— David Moles, 8:22 AM, Friday, September 17, 2004

Are any of those quotes from people who are actually active and in the loop? Doesn't look like it. There's a lot of hear-say in there too. I'd like to see something with better sources.

—— Scott Janssens, 2:28 PM, Monday, September 20, 2004

Unfortunately, in the real world the choices seem to be anonymous sources "on background", or named sources that only have their connections and experience to draw from. Apparently no one's ready to risk their career yet by going on the record.

Anyway, is there a loop? I just read somewhere that the CIA unit tasked with tracking Al-Qaeda has been having their funding and personnel requests ignored for months.

—— David Moles, 5:06 PM, Monday, September 20, 2004

Well, the subtitle to the story is:

"Most senior US military officers now believe the war on Iraq has turned into a disaster on an unprecedented scale"

While the story only quotes retired military and academics from military schools. You may be right that active military personnel would never express serious misgivings, even if they had them...but if that's the case, then surely it's irresponsible to refer to "most senior US military officers" as viewing Iraq as a disaster, isn't it?

—— Derek James, 8:53 AM, Tuesday, September 21, 2004

It’s only irresponsible if it isn’t true. Has someone else got a long set of interviews with serving officers who think the occupation is going swimmingly?

—— David Moles, 12:46 PM, Wednesday, September 22, 2004

It’s only irresponsible if it isn’t true.

Really? The story shouldn't reflect the headline? The people quoted shouldn't be the people mentioned in the headline?

And how are we to establish that the assertion is true if the body of the article doesn't do anything to support the claim?

That's ridiculous.

—— Derek James, 2:30 PM, Wednesday, September 22, 2004

Would you feel better if the subhead ended with . . . prominient strategists and retired officers say?

Because unless you think Gens. Odom and Hoare are lying about what their active-duty contacts are telling them, the article does support the claim. The most the Guardian is guilty of, on the face of it, is sloppy editing. And on that scale they’re hardly under par for a major newspaper.

—— David Moles, 4:31 PM, Wednesday, September 22, 2004