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Bite-sized epics: a proposal5 o'clock, August 6, 2004Remember when burritos were small enough to eat? So now that the anthology is nearly off the ground (proof / advance reading copies should be coming back from the printers any day now; final cover art in a few weeks and then it’ll all be over bar the shouting) I have, predictably, gone insane and decided I want to do another one. Not All-Star Robot Adventure Stories. That’s still a definite possbility, but ASRAS would pay real money. (pause, while half the audience realizes this new idea will not pay real money, and leaves the room) So the robots have to wait, while the Zeppelins pay themselves off. (You can speed up this process by pre-ordering!). Meanwhile, a different idea, as follows. First, you should all go buy Rabid Transit: Petting Zoo and read “How to Write an Epic Fantasy” by David Lomax. Done? No? I’ll wait . . . Okay; you can read it later, if you insist. Here’s the idea: All-Star Stories Presents: Twenty EpicsThe problem: Epic fantasy takes too long. It takes too long to read, it takes too long to write. The industry has too many incentives to make the author write the same book over and over again, piling up the foreshadowing, wearing out characters’ boots, to no good purpose except to give the reader more time to spend in the author’s fantasy world. Now, I’m not saying there’s anything wrong with that, if you’ve got the time. But for the busy reader/writer on the go, I think we need an alternative, and that’s where Twenty Epics comes in. Twenty Epics would be, to the traditional epic, what the false pasts created for the replicants in Blade Runner are to real human experience. Each of the twenty would create in the reader the same kind of emotional and aesthetic experience one has on finishing, say, Titus Groan, or the original Earthsea books, or the Fantasy Masterworks collection of the Viriconium stories, or Orlando — or, for that matter, War and Peace or Lonesome Dove. (All of these are a little short already by modern epic standards, I admit — I’m going for sublimity here, not exhaustion.) But they’d do it without making the reader or the writer sit through ten books and ten years. Now, I know what I’m getting into. If I just advertise for twenty condensed epics at, oh, say $50 a pop, I know what I’m going to get: A lot of gaming-module backgrounds and poorly written plot synopses crammed with unpronounceable names. I can cope with that (the Editor’s name is a tower of strength), but what I’m looking for is something different, and harder to define — a Silmarillion with sophistication, a “Tlön, Uqbar, Orbis Tertius” with narrative drive. The closest examples I can think of are the aforementioned David Lomax story, and some of the stories in Angelica Gorodischer’s Kalpa Imperial. Oh, and maybe this piece my friend Jon wrote in college, excerpts from the marketing literature produced by the estate of one “G.L.L.L. Kerpim”. (Beautiful stuff, pure vitriol. “Lo! The Fire-Sheep are closing in! Use the Jewel-Sword-Ring!”) Beyond that, I think we’re back to Herodotus. Am I the only one who would read this? Help me pin this down. |
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Well, if there's going to be twenty of them, the average couldn't be much over five K. |
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I agree with Eric. I also enjoyed Kalpa Imperial quite a bit, and this sounds like a good challenge. And I sure do likes me a good challenge! |
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Wow. I'm torn between trying to write one of these myself and volunteering to read the slush pile. |
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Twenty epic fantasies compressed into stories of 5000 words each? Coolness, David. |
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I vote for 200 Epics of 500 words each. |
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If I thought I'd get enough good ones, Ben, I'd go for 500 at 200 words. |
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Reminds me of The Residents' "Commercial Album." I'm afraid I don't read enough epic fantasies to really capture the spirit. I could maybe do a parody, but that seems like shooting ducks in a barrel. |
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David, (I tried to post this a few minutes ago and it vanished, so forgive me if it shows up twice.) That's such a great idea that I don't know whether to offer to publish or ask if I can write one, too, pretty please... But one thing is certain... you are such a fount of Great Ideas that I will move immediately to launch a hostile takeover bid on All Star Stories, then I will send you to Rector, Arkansas to edit farm reports... kind of like what the Big Studio did to that guy who directed Pi. You've been warned. Yours, —— DL, WFA-Nominated Publisher, 10:45 PM, Friday, August 6, 2004 |
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Dude, I would sooo dig an anthology with that sort of idea in mind. Even with such a concept, there is so much room to maneuver, as you've already intimated by alluding to texts like Orlando as well as Earthsea. Great great stuff could be gotten, I imagine. I'd like to see you do it. I'd like to try my hand at writing one, too. |
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Increasingly over the last few years I've found that only the first few chapters of epic fantasy stuff really holds my attention. Once I've figured out how the world works (in terms of psychological tone and resonance, as well as fabulist innovation), I don't usually care what happens (plot) to the characters (besides, things always seem to turn out for the best in these sorts of stories). I have a suspicion that the core of what compels me to read and to write is to explore a sense of place (more than mere setting, though that's important, too -- it's a kind of mood/atmosphere/diction thing): it could be a familiar place glimpsed through the filter of someone else's being, or a fully developed secondary world. If you could distill this essence into bite-sized morsels... yeah, I think you may be on to something, David. —— Robert Burke Richardson, 1:42 AM, Saturday, August 7, 2004 |
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I'd read it. I'd write one, too. |
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Yeah, you'd probably see my manilla on your pile. |
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Yup. Me, too. :-) |
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I would read something like that. Not sure if I could write it, but try? Yes. Read? Absolutely yes. |
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Wow! Overwhelming response. Cool! Everybody tell your friends. Y’all who are going to Worldcon, talk amongst yourselves; and we can talk about it at World Fantasy, too. (And if you’re not going to be at World Fantasy, we can still talk.) Deb, if I offer to co-brand this with Wheatland will you not send me to Arkansas? |
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I'm fascinated to see how many people are interested by this idea, 'cause it knocks down one of my cherished beliefs about the way the world works: I've been under the impression for years that length is one of the primary reasons that people like epic fantasy. The people I've talked with about it have always said (I thought) that the whole point is to immerse yourself in a fantasy world and not have to come up for air anytime soon. I think the majority of the people I know aren't really interested in short stories, and in a lot of cases that's partly just 'cause short stories don't take long enough to read. So: have I been misunderstanding all this time? Or are the respondents here a skewed sample space, given that many of y'all write (and presumably read) short stories? Or is something else going on? |
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The question, I guess, is what makes something an epic? Which--I feel like I should follow that up with some intelligent discussion, but honestly I'm not even sure where to start. |
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Jed, you're not wrong, imo. I'm one of the people who used to buy fantasy novels based on width of the spine and/or number in the series. I suspect this is more for those of us who used to like those big epics, but whose tastes have changed over the years. Also, it just seems like fun. |
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Moving from the meta-comment to the more specific: I wonder if it's possible to produce "the same kind of emotional and aesthetic experience one has on finishing, say, Titus Groan" at short-story length. Certainly a short story can evoke a rich world, but I wonder how much of the emotional and aesthetic experience is tied up in length, in piling detail upon detail into a coherent (albeit, in the case of Gormenghast, grotesque) whole. And I wonder, relatedly, if too much condensing will result in something that feels like a summary. It would be easy to summarize the basic storyline (and even the basics of the worldbuilding) of Lord of the Rings in a 5000-word story, but would it be possible to achieve anything like the same effect on the audience with such a summary? Don't get me wrong: I'm certainly looking forward to seeing what y'all do with this, and I might even try writing one myself. But I confess to being a bit dubious about achieving the same kinds of effects as epic fantasy at a small scale, while still retaining enough specific detail to make it engaging. A question: some of the things you mentioned made me think you're looking more for worldbuilding than for story (faux encyclopedia articles, say), but the "with narrative drive" part sounds like you're looking for plot as well. Do you want plot? If so, do you want plot that doesn't read like synopsis/summary? Or would it be best to not define this too much, and to let authors interpret it as they will? |
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One more thing, then I'll go away and stop filling up your comments page: Did you see where Toby sez books are getting shorter again? Maybe the time is ripe for bite-sized epics. |
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I know not everyone read it this way, but reading “How to Write an Epic Fantasy” felt, to me, a lot like reading M. John Harrison’s The Pastel City and A Storm of Wings. For what it’s worth, Lomax’s piece did it almost entirely with characterization — very little worldbuilding. As to whether it’s really possible to achieve that same response, well, you’d probably have to ask someone like Oliver Sacks. :) It’s something like the subjective experience of time in fever dreams, I guess. Or would it be best to not define this too much, and to let authors interpret it as they will? Yep. I’d like to see as wide a range of interpretation and experimentation as possible, really. |
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I'd love to give it a shot. And unlike my abortive zeppelin story, I may actually get this one on your desk! |
You've piqued my interest, David, as a reader and a writer. I love strong epic fantasy, but I don't have the patience to read endless series (or the stamina to write them). What sort of word count range are you considering for this prospective collection?