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1 o'clock, April 1, 2004

Courtesy of Brandon “no web presence” Dudley, a truly bizarre Onion AV Club interview (that link will stop working next week; if it doesn’t work, this might, though it doesn’t at the moment) with Dave Sim of Cerebus: a clear contender for Most Screwed-Up Canadian In History. Highlights:

  • [Cerebus is] the longest sustained narrative in human history

  • I’m not sure that I would advise a general readership like yours to read Cerebus.

  • The evidence that I see around me in society indicates that not only is thinking very much out of favor, but I’m not sure that the last couple of generations . . . even know what a thought is, having been raised to be women.

  • As a central example, they don’t want to examine feminism as a philosophy; they want to re-experience it as a new phenomenon. For obvious reasons. It doesn’t work, so there’s a very strong urge to go back 30 years to when it seemed that it might work.

  • Because my work discusses feminism and disapproves of feminism, it is important from the leftist standpoint to destroy Dave Sim as an individual and to ignore his work.

  • I’m so used to being misunderstood and I’m usually a ‘minority of one’ that I have this compulsion to try to explain myself as thoroughly as possible — to really try to break through that Marxist-feminist sensibility that always chooses ‘not thinking’ whenever it's presented with facts that don’t fit the Marxist-feminist program.

  • I don’t ‘feel.’ If I ‘felt,’ I would never have gotten the book done. I’d be off ‘feeling’ somewhere. My best intellectual assessment of the completed work is that I said exactly what I wanted to say, exactly the way I wanted to say it.

  • At this point, I think history will do most of the dirty work. Feminists are in an untenable position, defending something they no longer believe in, and which history will force them to recognize was destructive of most of the central pillars of civilization.

  • Arguably, over the next year or so, [my personal worldview] will probably result in a Cerebus version of Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder for those sorts of people who would rather collapse themselves around a lie than face the possible existence of an alternate truth which suits the given facts. That is to say, leftists.

  • [W]hen you’re dealing with feminism, you’re dealing with women, and that means if you frame a persuasive argument with which they disagree, they will, instead, indulge in character assassination.

  • Married guys, boyfriends, newly divorced guys, and guys — like Cerebus — who are permanently stuck on a chick that they might never even have slept with, or they might have broken up with 10 years before, are like that. Part chick. . . . I finally stopped hanging around with guys when I realized that they were all just waiting for the next one to come along and stick an ice-pick in their brain.

  • I got closer to the end of Cerebus, I started examining it as if it were a math problem. I got X and Y figured out and made some progress structurally, and then I hit the brick wall of feminism. I live in a society that believes feminism is workable. They literally won’t read anything unless it’s founded on an outright lie. . . . I’m afraid I’m going to have to wait for my society to grow up.

Does anybody know what he means when he says “feminism”? Does anybody even know what planet he’s been stationed on?

Comments

I read that entire interview and then read his Tangents rant and I'm still not sure what the hell he means, except that his ex-wife really must've worked him over.

I think (think, not feel!) the funniest part was when the interviewer asked "Are there parts of your story that you would still like to address, or perspectives that you feel you haven't yet had the chance to get across?" He gets two paragraphs of worth of "there you go again" going, and then she says, "no, that's not what I meant." And he's forced to respond with "Oh, no. Sorry, I misunderstood."

—— Jon, 2:33 PM, Thursday, April 1, 2004

You should read Tasha Robinson's lj entry on trying to arrange that interview. Some highlights for those too lazy to click:

Dave said something about that depending on whether it's a feminist issue. I asked how worshipping a sock puppet was a feminist issue. He said "Same pus, different zit." I said "I'm not getting you." He said "Yeah. I know."

I told him we expected the interview to run about 4,000 words. He said that wasn't enough to get any kind of meaningful ideas across, and that after 25 years of producing a comic where he could publish 100,000-word essays if he wanted to, any sort of word limit was basically a limit to thinking.

In fact, he would be doing US a favor by trying his best to compress his concepts into tiny, untenable spaces.

He basically said I should go to the other person and find out whether we could expand the paper, or do a special 10-part series, or something, and that the answer would be "No, Dave Sim isn't famous enough," and that that answer would be correct, but it still left us with him not having enough space to deliver his ideas.

He wants all these terms in writing, so in case we screw him over, he has proof that we lied, so he can take it to the newsgroups and show them what asses we are.

—— Nick Mamatas, 3:53 PM, Thursday, April 1, 2004

Brilliant. Almost as funny as the interview itself.

—— David Moles, 5:11 PM, Thursday, April 1, 2004

I took a stab at “Tangents” — don’t think I’m up for it right this minute, maybe not this decade. Thankfully someone named Gail at Comic Book Resources has done the work for me, and provided this handy summary. A sample:

And this isn’t just me talking. It’s backed by the following undeniable evidence: when I was doing research for my Cerebus story arc, I actually swallowed my bile and spoke with unattractive women even though I had no intention of going to bed with them. Insane, you say? No, it was purely research; beautiful, sweet, wonderful research without the taint of emotion, which MIRACULOUSLY somehow managed to validate my own bitter preconceptions. Wow! How ’bout that? I didn’t see THAT coming.

—— David Moles, 5:33 PM, Thursday, April 1, 2004

I read Tangents. That summary sounds about right, what I could make out of it. It's not helping that I'm not Canadian, so my government isn't subsidizing daycare for me (that I'm aware of).

And also from Rollick, another interview, this one done by a guy. Short version: more of the same, albeit concentrated in part II.

—— Jon, 5:44 PM, Thursday, April 1, 2004

Always be suspicious of anyone who claims that they’re rational and anyone who disagrees with them is ipso facto irrational. They’ve almost always got it backwards.

—— David Moles, 5:53 PM, Thursday, April 1, 2004

Hey - I have a web prescence, I'm jyst not gonna tell you where it is!

BTW: S. Notley also mentioned this interview on angryflower.com

—— Brandon, 8:56 AM, Friday, April 2, 2004

Wow...Sim certainly does come across as a first-rate a-hole, doesn't he? And a crazy one at that.

—— Derek James, 11:23 AM, Monday, April 5, 2004

Yeah. He sure seems to be, as Terry Pratchett would put it, well over the madness horizon, and still accelerating.

(Oops, did I just make a “womanish” ad-hominem attack? Sorry, Dave, but I can’t engage with your flawless reasoning if you can’t actually present your argument in any logical, comprehensible form . . .)

—— David Moles, 9:02 PM, Monday, April 5, 2004